Comments on: QTrax to Math: “Suck It, Math” http://moreinfothanbrains.com/2008/05/07/qtrax-to-math-suck-it-math/ part of the problem Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:39:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: lolcats http://moreinfothanbrains.com/2008/05/07/qtrax-to-math-suck-it-math/#comment-290 lolcats Sun, 21 Sep 2008 03:26:57 +0000 http://moreinfothanbrains.wordpress.com/?p=66#comment-290 To Wow, I suggest you do research before posting, since it is you who is way off base. Qtrax doesn't sell concert tickets or other artist related merchandise. It only serves up ads for those things by the Google ad service. Secondly, as c007km wrote, even if they were able to bring in 100 million dollars in ad revenue, they be spending at least 5 times that, maybe even more, in payments to the labels for royalties, etc. About the only way Qtrax is a good business plan is if it were owned wholly by the labels themselves (thus eliminating the middleman in the transaction). Quite frankly, Qtrax doesn't stand a chance in hell of being more than a flash in the pan ... just look at the tanking share price. I'd be surprised if Qtrax still exists by the time January 2010 rolls around. And FYI I find it rather suspicious that they removed the online users counter from the app ... seems like they are trying to hide the fact their membership hasn't increased from the public. As well, they have a long string of broken promises when it comes to technical side of things (see failed launch at Midem and lack of promised Mac compatibility). To Wow,

I suggest you do research before posting, since it is you who is way off base. Qtrax doesn’t sell concert tickets or other artist related merchandise. It only serves up ads for those things by the Google ad service. Secondly, as c007km wrote, even if they were able to bring in 100 million dollars in ad revenue, they be spending at least 5 times that, maybe even more, in payments to the labels for royalties, etc. About the only way Qtrax is a good business plan is if it were owned wholly by the labels themselves (thus eliminating the middleman in the transaction).

Quite frankly, Qtrax doesn’t stand a chance in hell of being more than a flash in the pan … just look at the tanking share price. I’d be surprised if Qtrax still exists by the time January 2010 rolls around. And FYI I find it rather suspicious that they removed the online users counter from the app … seems like they are trying to hide the fact their membership hasn’t increased from the public. As well, they have a long string of broken promises when it comes to technical side of things (see failed launch at Midem and lack of promised Mac compatibility).

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By: c007km http://moreinfothanbrains.com/2008/05/07/qtrax-to-math-suck-it-math/#comment-251 c007km Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:56:56 +0000 http://moreinfothanbrains.wordpress.com/?p=66#comment-251 @ Wow etc. The problem with your calculations is that you haven't paid for the music yet. "Legal" downloads means the rights holders are being paid, and with Labels searching desperately for new revenue streams, you better believe those labels are looking the be WELL paid. So let's use your numbers (which are very, very generous) and say they get 3 ads @ $5/CPM per refresh ... that's still only a penny and half per download; okay so lets say the average person visits 10 pages each time the download a track ... that's 15/cents each download... again, still nowhere NEAR the 70+ cents a label gets for selling on iTunes. If, and this is a big GIANT if, QTrax, in this model, was able to bring in $100 Million in SALES (not earnings, get your terms right), they would be spending five times that on Cost of Sales. Oh, and btw, I CAN'T download and try QTrax ... because as of now, it's not available for Mac, which, like everyone else under 40, I use exclusively. @ Wow etc.

The problem with your calculations is that you haven’t paid for the music yet. “Legal” downloads means the rights holders are being paid, and with Labels searching desperately for new revenue streams, you better believe those labels are looking the be WELL paid.

So let’s use your numbers (which are very, very generous) and say they get 3 ads @ $5/CPM per refresh … that’s still only a penny and half per download; okay so lets say the average person visits 10 pages each time the download a track … that’s 15/cents each download… again, still nowhere NEAR the 70+ cents a label gets for selling on iTunes.

If, and this is a big GIANT if, QTrax, in this model, was able to bring in $100 Million in SALES (not earnings, get your terms right), they would be spending five times that on Cost of Sales.

Oh, and btw, I CAN’T download and try QTrax … because as of now, it’s not available for Mac, which, like everyone else under 40, I use exclusively.

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By: wow you really are a moron http://moreinfothanbrains.com/2008/05/07/qtrax-to-math-suck-it-math/#comment-248 wow you really are a moron Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:26:23 +0000 http://moreinfothanbrains.wordpress.com/?p=66#comment-248 did you ever actually use the qtrax service? apparently not, or you have an agenda. let me give you my calculations. CPM is per imptression NOT per download. there are 3 non-intrusive ads per page. that means on a $5 CPM, each page view is 1.5 cents. each time you click on anything on qtrax, new ads are served, another 1.5 cents & so on. if a user spends only 10 minutes browsing or streaming free music (download optional) qtraz can easily earn 25 cents. if qtrax can sign up 10 million users (very conservative, considerung limewire's 80 million unique monthly visits) & each user brings in $10 a year, we have a company earning $100 million. also qtrax can serve targeted ads based on gender, age, geographic location, etc. this will bring high CPM. also qtrax software player is also a browser, so qtrax earns commission from that, similar to the deal firefox has with google, & others. qtrax also sells concert tickets & other artist related merchandise. qtrax actually has an excellent business plan. why don't you download the software, or at least visit music.qtrax.com to verify a lot of what i'm saying above did you ever actually use the qtrax service? apparently not, or you have an agenda.

let me give you my calculations. CPM is per imptression NOT per download. there are 3 non-intrusive ads per page. that means on a $5 CPM, each page view is 1.5 cents. each time you click on anything on qtrax, new ads are served, another 1.5 cents & so on. if a user spends only 10 minutes browsing or streaming free music (download optional) qtraz can easily earn 25 cents. if qtrax can sign up 10 million users (very conservative, considerung limewire’s 80 million unique monthly visits) & each user brings in $10 a year, we have a company earning $100 million. also qtrax can serve targeted ads based on gender, age, geographic location, etc. this will bring high CPM. also qtrax software player is also a browser, so qtrax earns commission from that, similar to the deal firefox has with google, & others. qtrax also sells concert tickets & other artist related merchandise. qtrax actually has an excellent business plan. why don’t you download the software, or at least visit music.qtrax.com to verify a lot of what i’m saying above

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